IVES 3241/3242/3243 - Marty Fasick
IVES 3241 (–R) DATING CHARACTERISTICS
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COUPLERS
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Thin 1 Gauge Coupler |
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Thick Wide Gauge Coupler
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ENGINE FRAMES |
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Cast Iron with Painted Steps
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PILOTS
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Part of Cast Iron Frame |
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WINDOWS
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Single Pane
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MOTORS
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Type I -
-Idler Gear = 3 Stampings, Fingers on commutator
or Fingers Holding Brushes to commutator |
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Type II -
Idler Gear = 1 Stamping, Tubular Bushes secured by wire |
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Type III - Idler Gear = 1 Stamping,
Tubular Bushes secured by screw caps |
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Type IV - Idler Gear = 1 Stamping,
Tubular Bushes secured by screw caps – separate roller pickups |
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TRIM
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Rubber
Stamped White/Silver lettering
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Rubber Stamped Gold lettering
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Brass
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Nickel Headlights
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Brass Headlights
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(4) Brass Handrails that start at the engines top and go around the sides
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HEADLIGHTS
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Single
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WHEEL
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Cast Iron Drivers
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Die Cast Drivers
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REVERSE UNIT:
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Manual
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Automatic
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IVES 3241 (–R) DATING CHARACTERISTICS
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COLORS
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Red
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Medium Green
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Light Green
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Brown
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Light Olive Green
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IVES 3242 (–R) DATING CHARACTERISTICS
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COUPLERS
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Thin 1 Gauge Coupler |
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Thick Wide Gauge Coupler
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ENGINE FRAMES |
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PILOTS
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Separate Die Cast-Spoked
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Separate Stamped Sheet Metal
(secured by rivet to frame)
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WINDOWS
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Single Pane
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DOORS
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Plain embossed
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Brass Side Doors
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Brass End Doors
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IVES 3242 (–R) DATING CHARACTERISTICS
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1930 |
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MOTORS
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Type I -
-Idler Gear = 3 Stampings, Fingers on commutator
or Fingers Holding Brushes to commutator |
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Type II -
Idler Gear = 1 Stamping, Tubular Bushes secured by wire |
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Type III - Idler Gear = 1 Stamping,
Tubular Bushes secured by screw caps |
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Type IV - Idler Gear = 1
Stamping, Tubular Bushes secured by screw caps |
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Type V - Wide Motor-Plate reads “The Ives Mfg.
Corp”. Separate roller pickups |
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Type
VI - Wide Motor-Plate reads “The Ives Corp”.
Separate roller pickups |
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TRIM
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Rubber
Stamped White/Silver lettering
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Rubber Stamped Gold lettering
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Brass
Plates
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Nickel Headlights
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Brass Headlights
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Nickel Railings Top to Both Ends
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Brass Railings Top to Both Ends
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DRIVE
WHEELS
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Cast Iron Drivers
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Die Cast Drivers
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COLORS
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Red
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Brown
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Dark Green
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Wanamaker Wine
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Maroon
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Kelley Green |
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Gray
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Buff/Tan
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Apple Green
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Black
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Cadet Blue
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IVES 3243 (–R) DATING CHARACTERISTICS
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COUPLERS
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Thin 1 Gauge Coupler |
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Thick Wide Gauge Coupler
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ENGINE FRAMES |
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Type 1: ( 4) Painted Steps, Square Opening for Reverse
Lever |
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Type 2: (4) Painted
Steps, Keyhole Opening for Reverse |
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Type 3: 5 steps (4)
Painted, Square Opening for Reverse |
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Type 4: High Frame:(6) Steps, Keyhole Opening for Reverse |
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Type 5: High Frame: (6) Steps, Square Opening for Reverse
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Type 6: High Frame: (7)
Non-Painted Steps, Square Opening for Reverse |
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Type 7: Stamped Steel, Pilot Trucks Cast Iron
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PILOT WHEELS
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Solid – Painted Red/Black |
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Spoked - Cast Iron
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Spoked Die Cast-Nickel Jacketed |
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RAILING COTTER PINS
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Railing Cotter Pins
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WINDOWS
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Single Pane
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MOTORS
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Type I -
-Idler Gear = 3 Stampings, Fingers on commutator
or Fingers Holding Brushes to commutator |
x |
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Type II -
Idler Gear = 1 Stamping, Tubular Bushes secured by wire |
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Type III - Idler Gear = 1 Stamping,
Tubular Bushes secured by screw caps |
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Type IV - Idler Gear = 1 Stamping,
Tubular Bushes secured by screw caps – |
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Type V - Wide Motor-Plate reads “The Ives Mfg.
Corp”. Separate roller pickups |
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Type
VI - Wide Motor-Plate reads “The Ives Corp”.
Separate roller pickups |
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IVES 3243 (–R) DATING CHARACTERISTICS
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1921 |
1922 |
1923 |
1924 |
1925 |
1926 |
1927 |
1928 Early |
1928 Late |
1929 |
1930 |
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CAB WEIGHTS
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TRIM
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Rubber
Stamped
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Brass
Plates
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Nickel Railings Top to Both Ends
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Brass Railings Top to Both Ends
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Nickel:
Octagonal Headlight,
Full Size Pantograph, Whistle,
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Brass:
Octagonal Headlight, Low Clipped Pantograph, Whistle,
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WHEELS
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Cast Iron Drivers
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Die Cast Drivers
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COLORS
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Red
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Brown
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Dark Green
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x |
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Light Olive Green |
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x |
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White (Special Dealer Sets) |
x |
x |
x |
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Wanamaker Wine |
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x |
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Yellow
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x |
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Yellow
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x |
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x |
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x |
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Apple Green
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x |
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Black
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x |
x |
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Cadet Blue
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x |
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x |
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Pale Yellow Green
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DOORS
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Plain embossed
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x |
x |
x |
x |
x |
x |
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Brass Side Doors
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x |
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